Vedic Astrology, ancestral karma, the D12 and the D30
AstroliJam Summary 9 Feb 2023
If you're in my Patreon group and your one of my "Detectives", but you were not able to come along. We did an AstroliJam at the beginning of February about early deaths and whether there's techniques and insights in Vedic astrology that can help us see something in this pattern of early deaths. So we looked at Elvis Presley who was the subject of our podcast episode. And then we have tragically not only his early passing, but his daughter and his grandson. We all got together. You know how AstroliJam works. We give out the data and you research it privately, and then you come along and just like a musician. You jam.
I know that not everybody can make it every time. So here is my notes from my preparation and what I what we talked about, obviously I don't record AstroliJam because I like it to be a safe space where we can all stuff up if we want to and bring ideas that we are trying out and experiment with, so, don't want that to end up on YouTube. But here is a summary of what our discussion was and my notes from my research. And I hope you can join us next time.
Summary of contributions
For this particular AstroliJam, we were looking at the early deaths of Elvis Presley, Lisa Marie, and Benjamin Keogh. And we're just wondering, what is it that's in the charts that might give an astrologer an idea of what's happening there. So that was the brief to go out and research that, and everybody came with their own suggestions and research that they'd done. Some people were looking at like the yogas for longevity and what Brihat Parashra are says about that. And working out each of the indications in each of the charts. Some people also looked at the Dasas where these things happened. And the transits as well. So that was all part of the discussion that I don't have here because they weren't in my notes. But what we do have is the research that I did.
My preparation
I wanted to just make sure that I had the data for the cause of deaths and the circumstances. And then have a look at what might be going on in the birth chart. I actually had thought that what I would want to research was the D12. I was really interested in the ancestral story that might be moving through these charts. But once I started researching the charts, it was actually the D30 that seemed to pull my attention more. So I ended up doing... that's what AstroliJam is all about, is that you you get a chance to play. Because often when we're researching charts for clients, we have a really specific thing that we're looking for and we don't get this time necessarily to dig into something. So I got really interested in the D30 so I had to look at that and the transiting D30, just the, also the transits in general. And then finally, I did have some time to go and have a look at those D12s. So that's what I'm going to share with you today.
For my notes, I just use this format of Elvis Presley in green on the left, Lisa Marie in blue in the middle and Benjamin Keogh in yellow on the right.
Causes of Death
This is just a summary of my notes about around the cause of death. So we have Elvis Presley was a heart attack. That's what was recorded at the time. But I think since that passing and people understanding more about what was going on in his life, there's probably quite a recognition of the prescription drug use. That was really a contributing factor to what was happening with this body. And because of those issues, it made me think that in the birth chart, I want to know what's going on with Rahu. And I want to know what's going on with the fourth house. Rahu, because I always think of Rahu with chemistry. So that medication was involved here. I wanted to know what was going on with Rahu. And the fourth house, because it's the chest. And then Lisa Marie, passed very recently, it was also a heart attack. The press at the time was talking about a pressure to appear in public. Apparently she'd been quite reclusive during COVID. Her son had passed away during that time, and it was just her enormous support and love for the project, the film "Elvis" that was receiving an award, that gave her the the pressure or the courage to appear in public. And there was some speculation that she'd be taking, perhaps some weight loss medication. Maybe just like the father, the heart attack was also chemistry, perhaps. I don't know. But it made me think about the fourth house and the 10th house because of this not wanting to appear in public. The fourth house of our safe home. And the 10th house of fame and being outside the home. So I wondered what was going on in her chart about that. And for Benjamin Keogh. He passed away in 2020 by suicide via gunshot wound. So it made me think about Mars.
Rasi Chart
And then when I looked at just the general indicators in their D1 to see whether those things that I had been thinking about, where would they show up for Elvis Presley? He's a Sagittarius ascendent. And the ascendant Lord is in the 12th house, which we know that the 12th house relates a little bit to dying. It's certainly relates to being connected to the world beyond our material world.
And the fourth Lord of the heart was in the 12th house because the Sagittarius ascendent is Jupiter ruling the first and the fourth and Jupiter is in the 12th house of this chart. And the eighth Lord off vitality is also in the fourth house, in a moksha house. And in that house related to, to the chest and the heart center.
For Lisa Marie, she's a Leo ascendant. Oh, I forgot to mention that. In Elvis's chart, he's got Saturn conjunct Rahu. Lisa has Saturn debilitated, conjunct, Rahu. So we see that in the heritage going from one chart to another, we see this Saturn / Rahu conjunction. For Lisa Marie the ascendant is in the seventh house, which is a maraka house. The 10th Lord of fame is in the sixth house of obstacles and enemies. So I thought that might explain some of why her relationship with fame maybe felt heavy and difficult and something that she would like to avoid. Mercury is the 11th Lord in this chart and it is debilitated and it is breaking the yoga of Mars. Mars, naturally rules the fourth and the ninth house for a Leo ascendant. Mars is with that yoga breaker in this chart. And the fourth cusp is in Libra with Ketu.
And then for Benjamin Keogh. Scorpio, ascendant. Ketu in the eighth house of vitality was something I just noticed. The yoga breaker, the 11th Lord is Mercury again, and it's on the ascendent in Scorpio. And Mars rules Scorpio. So it naturally rules the first and the sixth. Ruling, The self the body. And our obstacles our own obstacles to overcome. It's in the ninth house, the house of the parents. And it's getting that Rasi aspect from Saturn.
So we see that Saturn with the Rahu in Elvis' chart. Saturn with Rahu in Lisa Marie's and then Saturn aspecting this ninth house. But in this chart Rahu was not conjunct with Saturn. It is in fact conjunction with Venus.
D30 Charts
So in looking at these charts, I got inspired to go have a look at the D30, maybe because the nature of the deaths were also unexpected and shocking. So for Elvis Presley, it is an Aries Ascendant, the D30. It has Mars in that first house in Aries. The eighth cusp is in Pisces. Which you remember is the fourth house of the birth chart. The eighth house is Scorpio. The first cusp is being Rasi aspected of by Mercury, Jupiter and Mars. So in the D30 there's a lot of Rasi aspects to that first cusp. And the second house where we ingest beings has got Rahu, Ketu and Saturn. So I just thought that was interesting in the D30.
For Lisa Marie's D30. It's a Scorpio ascendant. Mars is in Aries, just like the Aries ascendant for Elvis Presley. So some commonality there. It's ruling the first and sixth. And it's in the sixth of the D30. It's with the tenth, Lord of fame, and the Sun, which is exalted.
Mars is being rasi aspected from a debilitated, Jupiter, and Rahu, Ketu. So we've got the first Lord here being Rashi aspected of by Rahu, Ketu. Just like we had the first cusp was rasi aspected by Rahu, Ketu. The first cusp in Lisa Marie's chart is being rasi aspected from Jupiter, Rahu, Ketu, Sun, Mars and Moon. So lots of aspects there. And Scorpio is the fourth house from the D1. So the heart, the chest. So yeah, I thought there was quite a bit in Lisa Marie's D30.
With Benjamin Keogh. It's a Libra ascendant. Mars, which I'm looking for this gunshot wound, is in the ninth house rasi aspecting the first cusp. Rahu and Ketu are also rasi aspecting that first cusp. As are the Sun and the Moon.
Like I say, this is a jam. So we were playing with riffs that we think are interesting and that are entertaining us. And just notice there were a lot of rasi aspects to the first cusp in the D30s across the board of these three people.
Transiting D30s
And then I went and had to look at the transiting D30s at the time of death. So for Elvis Presley, Saturn and Mars we're transiting the first cusp of the Pisces. Which you remember in Elvis's birth chart is the fourth house. It's ruled also by the ascendant Lord in the D1. In Pisces in the transiting D30 there are planets there in the D12, the D30 and the transiting D12 . So Pisces just seemed to be a really important sign. And we think about it. That is the field. The fertile soil or the infertile soil. So Pisces seems to be really important. And Ketu in the D30 is transiting natal Ketu. So that's what I noticed.
In Lisa Marie's, Leo ascendant. The sun, which is the ascendant from the D1, is conjunct with Mercury, which is the 11th lord from the D1 plus Rahu and Ketu. And the first cusps and the sixth, seventh and the 12th cusps are all on that Leo ascendant. The Leo ascendant of this transiting D30 is the same ascendant as the D1. So they're both Leo. And in this transiting D30, the Sun is conjunct with Mercury and Rahu and Ketu. And Mercury, we know is that 11th Lord, the yoga breaker from the D1.
And then for Benjamin Keogh, he had a Sagittarius ascendant transiting the D30. Mars was on the ascendant with the first and seventh cusps. And the rasi aspects were coming from all the malefics on to those cusps. Mars is the ascendant in the D1 and the D12. And it's debilitated in the D1. And Sun was transiting the natal Mars. Quite a lot of Mars stuff, which is what I was expecting.
Yes. I thought looking at the transiting D30s was really interesting. I might have some more screenshots to share with you. So this probably makes more sense about what I was saying. This is Elvis Presley. You can see that we have, if you're comfortable with the Western style chart, we have here the birth chart in the middle. And the transits around the outside. We've got the birth D1, the birth D30 and the transiting D30. So let's just go through these again.
So we've got Saturn and Mars we're transiting the first cusp. So you can see here Saturn and Mars. We've got Pisces, excuse my spelling. There are planets in Pisces in the transiting D30. There's planets in the birth D30. There's planets in the birth chart. So Pisces energy really seemed to be important. And Ketu in the D30 is transiting natal Ketu. So, here's Ketu in the D30 is in Leo. And the Ketu from the birth chart is also in Leo. So I was just jamming to see whether that was a factor, and that was interesting.
All right. So that means that I must have here, Lisa Marie. So same thing. We've got the transits together. Or you can have a look at the birth chart. The birth D30 and the transiting D30. When you look at this D30, you can see a whole lot of stuff going on in Leo. Which if you remember is also the ascendant from the birth chart. We've got Sun, which is the ascendant from the birth chart and this transiting D30, is with Rahu, Ketu and Mercury. Mercury is the 11th Lord in, obviously this transiting D30, but it's also the 11th Lord from the birth chart. And the cusps are all there. One. And six. For health. So perhaps that transiting D30 is sharing something.
And then we also have for Benjamin Keogh. Mars on the ascendant, which you can see right here. It's with the first and the seventh cusps. It's being rasi aspected by Saturn, by Sun and by Rahu and Ketu. And then I've got, Mars is the ascendant of the D1. And it's the D12 as well, which you haven't seen yet. It is debilitated in the D1. And the Sun was transiting in the actual sky, the sun was passing over natal Mars. We can see that Mars is really important in this Benjamin Keogh chart. And that's what we were expecting when we heard about the cause of death.
Trigger Transits
Now just general transits at the time of death. There was in Elvis Presley's chart there was a Sun-Saturn conjunction opposite natal Saturn. Venus the 11th Lord in the D1 was transiting the eighth cusp. Transiting Jupiter was about to enter the eighth house. Remember that Jupiter is the ascendant Lord. And Rahu was transiting the 11th house of excess. So the, just the general transits, not going down to the level of the D30, but the general transits also seem to be supportive of this event occurring at this time.
For Lisa Marie, I don't have an exact time of death. So I have picked, I'm putting it here for you. I'm putting 10 30. The Sun was square to natal Rahu and Ketu. Rahu was square to the natal Sun, which is the ascendant. Venus was transiting the natal Sun. We know that those two are enemies. And Ketu was moving towards the fourth cusp. So perhaps those are some of the trigger transits there.
And for Benjamin Keogh, I also don't have an exact death time. So I'm putting 1:00 AM. There was a Mars, Moon conjunction. And I just wondered whether that was important. We've seen how much that Mars was part of the story for Benjamin's chart. And maybe the Moon and Mars conjunct by transit. Ketu was over the third cusp of like risk taking and competitiveness. There was a Jupiter Saturn conjunction. That can be really depressing, right? Because Jupiter. He's all about optimism and hope in the big picture and Saturn can really bring that vision down. And the Sun was over the natal Mars. So again, more pressure for the Mars. And making me think that the Sun is like the brightness of the king. And some of the press that I read about Benjamin Keough was, feeling in the shadow of a very famous progenitor, how do you actually have your own life? So it just made me wonder about the Sun going over natal Mars. Whether that was also a trigger as well.
D12s and Ancestral Karma
And then I did go and have a look at the ancestral karma from the D12. So for Elvis Presley it was an Aries ascendant, which made me think that maybe the ancestral message there is to start new things, Aries the initiator. The first Lord Mars is in the 12th house. And the eighth lord of vitality is also that 12th house. Mercury is really well-placed. And so it makes me think connecting and communicating. That's Mercury. And that Elvis connected a generation in a way that almost nobody has. Just so famous. And really spoke to so many people. Created a cultural phenomenon. And Moon and Mercury with Ganesh deity. So in the D12, you can have a look... There are four deitie s for the D12. And they talk about auspicious support; they talk about constraints and the things that we're held on a leash about; and knowledge that comes from our ancestors. So the deities can be really interesting. And in that D12, we have Moon and Mercury. And I thought that was interesting because The Moon is the public. And Mercury we know, is so well-placed. There's a lot of support.
Now in Lisa Marie's D12, it was a Scorpio ascendance. I wrote here exploring inner demons and luckily everybody on the Jam was also helping me reframe that. That Scorpio ascendant on the D12 is perhaps a mission to transform. And to process things that take us to the next level. In the Scorpio ascendant for Lisa Marie's D12, the first Lord Mars was in the 12th house. Just like in Elvis's D12. And D1. Now the big difference was that Mercury was debilitated. Whereas Elvis's Mercury was really well supported. In Lisa Marie's, it was debilitated. The 12th cusp was in Virgo. And the Lord of Virgo is debilitated. And there are no Yama deity placements in Lisa Marie's D12. And it just made me think the importance of those constraints. What helps us having boundaries and focus. And there were not. any. So I was just wondering whether that... somewhere in the D12, that's providing that guidance and constraint. Again this is a Jam. This is not well-researched.
And in Benjamin Keogh's D12 it's also a Scorpio ascendant. So perhaps again, that ancestral mission to transform and to go within and to process. The Moon, which is the Mother is well-placed, but it is with Mercury, the 11th Lord. So I was thinking that kind of gave that feeling that "I can't be close to the mother without being in the shadow of the elders", which maybe is Elvis. The 12th cusp is in the 12th house. The third house of willpower is Capricorn. Saturn is in the eighth. Will use your willpower to end your life maybe? And same as Lisa Marie, there were no Yama datey placements. Again, I don't know if that's significant or not, but that's what jams are for is for taking the time to look at this stuff.
As a summary, what do I think those D12. They're trying to say? That for Elvis has chart it's Aries want to start something. Mercury's in own home. The ancestors have perfected that Mercury want to take it out and connect with the public. Because the Moon is also got that Ganesh deity. For Lisa Marie and Ben Keogh with Scorpio, we've got this exploring our inner demons, getting ready for transformation. Perhaps from all of this, what the ancestors achieved, through Elvis, giving now a chance to transform and detoxify some of that. But they've got no restraints. Both Elvis Presley and Lisa Marie have a kind of letting go of the father. Because of the placements of the Suns in their D12s. Whereas Lisa Marie and Ben Keogh, they've got this closeness, but with the 11th Lord yoga breaker. And close to the mother, but cannot be there without the elders also being there. So maybe that speaks to some of those difficulties.
Conclusion
So this was like a summary of our conversation from my notes that I prepared. But what would you have researched? What do you think is interesting to have a look at. Regarding these unexpected and untimely deaths in three generations. I'd love to hear your thoughts and I hope you come along and join us next time when we do AstroliJam. Okay. Bye TVAPlings. Thanks. Bye.